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Lionel
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Posted on 08/12/2013 at 12:55 PM.Send to a friend Send a Private Message View Profile Quote this User
What is better, tapering by line diameters or breaking strain?




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Posted on 08/12/2013 at 07:57 PM.Send to a friend Send a Private Message View Profile Quote this User
Wouldn't that depend on the flexibility, or otherwise, of the material being used ?




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Posted on 08/12/2013 at 08:22 PM.Send to a friend Send a Private Message View Profile Quote this User
Here you go George, I'm thinking of 3' .40mm jinkai 10 kg + 3' .35mm 10kg Schnieder + 2' .28mm 5kg Schnieder tippet.




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Posted on 08/12/2013 at 10:18 PM.Send to a friend Send a Private Message View Profile Quote this User
Lonk, I'll leave it to the experts as I mostly use tapered leaders these days ... but which Jinkai? Soft or hard ?




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Posted on 08/12/2013 at 10:29 PM.Send to a friend Send a Private Message View Profile Quote this User
I think people worry too much about tapered leaders

Turning over dry flies delicately and accurately on 5X yes, it's a big issue. Turning over a eye fly or a small gummy is certainly helped by some taper in the leader - good stable loops probably play a bigger role. But when you are chucking wind resistant flies like crease fly, or weighted flies like a clouser, the taper becomes almost irrelevant - turnover will be dictated by line speed and wind (and loop control).

With large wind resistant bass flies being splatted into tight snaggy situations you want a stiff short leader. I would probably go with a longish butt section of 15kg (perhaps even 20kg), mid section of 10kg, and tippet of 5kg. Total length around 7ft, all with the stiffest mono I can find.

I tend to avoid large wind resistant flies




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Posted on 20/12/2013 at 12:12 PM.Send to a friend Send a Private Message View Profile Quote this User
I like a 50% butt length…..ie 8ft leader equals 4 foot butt. I also like the rule of 5th's for my butt sections. Times your rod weight by 5 and you get your butt breaking strain approximately. 8 weight is a 40 lb butt a ten weight is 50lb butt etc
Use only supple mono for the butt such as jinkai or berkley big game.





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Posted on 20/12/2013 at 01:44 PM.Send to a friend Send a Private Message View Profile Quote this User
Justin what's the thinking behind supple mono?

I can see maybe less coiling and easier to knot?

For butt I've been using Seaguar fluro or just plain Maxima or Schnieder mono - all fairly stiff because I'm thinking it will transfer energy better. I'll try something more supple and see how it goes.




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Posted on 19/01/2014 at 10:09 PM.Send to a friend Send a Private Message View Profile Quote this User
Stiff mono doesn't tie good nail knots but more importantly doesn't transfer energy well. Try a line that feels more like the flyline than wire, jinkai and moi moi are great




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Message edited by Justin D on 19/01/2014 at 10:09 PM
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Posted on 20/01/2014 at 11:14 AM.Send to a friend Send a Private Message View Profile Quote this User
diameter, thats what the tapering is about heavier line turning over lighter line




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Posted on 23/01/2014 at 09:39 AM.Send to a friend Send a Private Message View Profile Quote this User
iki jimmy wrote:
diameter, thats what the tapering is about heavier line turning over lighter line


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Posted on 20/01/2016 at 12:20 AM.Send to a friend Send a Private Message View Profile Quote this User
Just to add to the debate - here are some comments in relation to the contribution of the property of stiffness and of diameter:

"A leader that is made from stiff material will transmit more energy than a leader made from soft pliable material. Large diameter material will hold more energy than small diameter material."

http://www.flyfishusa.com/tackle-tips/leaders/about-leaders.html




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