HOMEYOUR GUIDETOURS & PRICINGCASTING TUITIONGALLERYFORUMCONTACT
Don't have a login?
Forums Index
» Flies and flyfishing products
» Tail-wrap - any ideas
Username:
Password:
Remember Me

Tail-wrap - any ideas
  Page 1 of 2    « First   1   2   >   Last » 
USERMESSAGE
William
Member
Posts: 1413
View Profile
Posted on 24/04/2005 at 06:33 PM.Send to a friend Send a Private Message View Profile Quote this User
Okay guys what ideas are out there for preventing tail-wrap on long wavy saltwater flies?

On many flies like wooly buggers and shrimp immitations I prefer longer shank hooks but on big saltwater streamer / baitfish profile patterns with soft wavy materials the long hooks are a tail-wrap nightmare. But short shank hooks have their own problems - last outing I was fishing short shank hooks on longish flies and I had several short nips at the fly - one was a kingfish which I saw quite clearly come in on the fly - felt a strong pluck on the line but no hook-up. I want to try a longer shank hook for when the fish are not agro enough to engulf the fly head and all - but the tail-wrap issue needs to be minimised.

Two approaches I'm thinking of are:
1) Tie in a loop of stiff mono beginning each side of the head that rides back and under the tail just behind the hook bend.
2) Tie in some stiffer calf-tail fibers or bits of mono as lateral "fins" coming out sideways and down across the gape just before the hook bend - not unlike a "weed guard".

Any comments welcome.

Cheers
William




The highest form of existence is play
Message edited by William on 24/04/2005 at 06:34 PM
Lionel
Member
Posts: 562
View Profile
Posted on 24/04/2005 at 06:44 PM.Send to a friend Send a Private Message View Profile Quote this User
Try tying fibres "high" over the top of the hook shank so they are laying in an upwards direction from the eye, like Chappo's sprats we had a look at the Flyrodders meeting.

Polarfibre minnows are tied the same way.




Happiness is a tight loop
Message edited by Lionel on 24/04/2005 at 09:13 PM
beechfly
Member
Posts: 96
View Profile
Posted on 25/04/2005 at 05:39 AM.Send to a friend Send a Private Message View Profile Quote this User
What fly pattern are you tying? Usually, tie a collar of something - like on a Lefty's Deceiver. Make sure the collar extends half way down the tail - that usually stops tail wraps. Another alternative I saw Paul McGrath use is to coat a portion of the body and tail with a thin film of silicon - the tail still wriggles but doesn't have the flexibility to wrap back and foul. Unfortunately, soft synthetic materials wrap all the time on large flies, unless you support them somehow with a stiffer material or some kind of adhesive.




Regards,
Chris Beech
Flymax custom flies
William
Member
Posts: 1413
View Profile
Posted on 25/04/2005 at 12:09 PM.Send to a friend Send a Private Message View Profile Quote this User
Chris I'm not settled on the "pattern" yet - basically I want to make a long fly about 12 - 15 cm but still light enough to cast well on a 9wt. The fly should have minimal wind and water resistance but still appear to have some bulk in the water. It should follow a sinking line obediently to the target depth.

I'm thinking white polar fiber for the belly and smoke dna holofusion for the flanks topped with a little bit of black frosty fish fiber. Somewhere between a mullet and a garfish in profile. I suppose I'm trying to immitate a 6 inch sluggo - nice long tapered fly with a sexy wriggle. Not really to match specific baitfish on the day but something enticing that a large predator will see as an opportunity not to be missed.

The design challenge is to get the hook point to about one third down the length to improve hookup rate without getting too much tail-wrap. I'm not keen on a tandem hook design.

I quite like what you said about coating some of the fly near the tail with a thin film of silicon. The narrower base of a fish's tail is a fairly distinct feature - I expect a bit of experimentation will be needed to ensure the action is not dampened too much by this.

Stuck indoors today with a touch of flu - so I have the afternoon to play on the vice.

Cheers
William




The highest form of existence is play
Martin Fortmann
Member
Posts: 371
View Profile
Posted on 26/04/2005 at 10:40 AM.Send to a friend Send a Private Message View Profile Quote this User
I've found that patterns like the shaggy dog (or tidy dog as Mark Rigg ties them) and Popvics 3D flies give long flowing tails which are prevented from wrapping by the shorter material at the front of the fly whcih fills the hook gape. Because there is no adhesive, the material in the gape just folds away when the fish hits and so in no way affects the hookup.




William
Member
Posts: 1413
View Profile
Posted on 26/04/2005 at 10:52 PM.Send to a friend Send a Private Message View Profile Quote this User
Good one Martin - had a look at the pics of it on flyworld - I'm going to take that shaggy dog and stretch it out a bit - looks like what I'm after with but less flash and nice contrast between top and bottom shades.

Cheers
William




The highest form of existence is play
beechfly
Member
Posts: 96
View Profile
Posted on 28/04/2005 at 05:56 PM.Send to a friend Send a Private Message View Profile Quote this User
I've been toying with a sluggo fly myself (sorry Justin - haven't got around to mailing them yet!). I use rabbit fur strips though. If you want a mobile stinger hook, join it with some 50lb gsp braid or dacron to the front hook. Tie a tail on the rear hook, and wrap a zonker strip around the shank, all the way up the braid and onto the front hook. The stiffness of the wound zonker seems to prevent tangles.




Regards,
Chris Beech
Flymax custom flies
DavidW
Member
Posts: 56
View Profile
Posted on 29/04/2005 at 07:51 AM.Send to a friend Send a Private Message View Profile Quote this User
Did soeone mention sluggo flies...... I have been toying with them since January. My tester has had some success, I haven't yet. The length of the DNA fibre in these ones actually helps stop them tail wrapping, but I also use a little bit of softdip around the hook bend to stiffen the fibres a little.... so far so good.......



Cheers

DavidW




Hooroo
Message edited by DavidW on 29/04/2005 at 07:52 AM
Craig Worthington
Member
Posts: 13
Posted on 30/04/2005 at 09:53 AM.Send to a friend Send a Private Message View Profile Quote this User
I'd agree with David - keeping the fibres long helps to stop tail wraps. Fibres three times as long as the hook is about right. Also find building up the body/shank helps, especially if you glass over with epoxy. A fat bodied fly seems to tail wrap far less often than a skinny body or bare shank.

Cheers,
Craig.




Lionel
Member
Posts: 562
View Profile
Posted on 30/04/2005 at 12:08 PM.Send to a friend Send a Private Message View Profile Quote this User
David, you coming to the Mullet Mulloway bash next weekend? we can all compare Sluggo's




Happiness is a tight loop
DavidW
Member
Posts: 56
View Profile
Posted on 02/05/2005 at 08:04 AM.Send to a friend Send a Private Message View Profile Quote this User
Lonk,

Unfortunately no mullet & mulloway bash for me...... too much on.... besides these cold nights do nothing for your sluggo comp!

cheers

DavidW




Hooroo
  Page 1 of 2    « First   1   2   >   Last » 



You need to be logged in to Post a Reply

home | contact us | PLSforums™ v4.5 linux | terms & conditions of use | © 2022 Sydney Flyfishing Tours